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Post by HOW on Jan 31, 2010 14:30:41 GMT
JUST WONDERED HOW YOU GET PROMOTED FROM DPL? ASSUME YOU HAVE TO WIN THE LEAGUE AND THEN APPLY TO MOVE UP. WOULD YOU GO INTO WESSEX / WESTERN DIV ONE? HEAR THAT SOME TEAMS WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE DPL THIS SEASON BUT I WASNT SURE WHAT LEAGUE THEY WOULD GO TO. ALSO, ARE ANY TEAMS PLANNING TO COME INTO DPL NEXT SEASON? JUST WONDERING!!
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Post by Sportie on Feb 2, 2010 9:57:28 GMT
Weymouth Sports will be seeking promotion to the Dorset Premier League next season.
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Post by bill on Feb 2, 2010 19:59:21 GMT
correct me anybody if i am wrong, floodlights a must for the next level .
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Post by wrong on Feb 2, 2010 20:03:09 GMT
youre wrong sorry if a dorset team wanted to go into the wessex leagues they can go into wessex 2 with no lights just rope fencing. Most grounds in that keague are community recs so cant be railed off. Hope that helps
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Post by confused on Feb 2, 2010 20:07:58 GMT
But is Wessex 2 really a promotion? Isn't it just the Hampshire equivalent of DPL? Surely if teams getting promoted from DPL can go into Wessex 1, Wessex 2 must be a sideways step???
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Post by bill on Feb 2, 2010 21:05:24 GMT
just to jump up a level or two, top 6 in dpl could play wessex prem league , you could throw a blanket over the standards below this level .
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Post by Wessex on Feb 3, 2010 21:19:54 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you but there is no such division as Wessex 2. The next step for any DPL side would be Wessex One or Western One. Requirements have to satisfy 'G' grade facilities which do include fixed barriers and floodlight of 120 lux - being an average reading across the pitch. Currently only Pewsey Vale FC of the Wiltshire league have applied to the Wessex League for promotion.
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Post by confused on Feb 3, 2010 22:41:48 GMT
Sorry Wessex, I did indeed mean Wessex Prem and Wessex 1 not Wessex 1 and 2.
Am I wrong in thinking that there is some way of skipping Wessex 1? Of course provided that the the ground is up to specification.
I am not involved with a club that is looking to go up but would be interested to hear.
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Post by Wessex on Feb 4, 2010 13:25:07 GMT
Unfortunately there is no way that a side can 'skip' Step 6 (Wessex One) and end up in Step 5 (Wessex Prem) even with the correct facilities.
The equivalent league to the DPL is the Hamphire Premier League at Step 7. These, along with the Hellenic Div One West can feed into the Wessex One (and occasionally there are others allowed to apply).
There has been debate on here, naturally, about how 6 or 7 DPL sides would easily cope with Wessex Prem. I disagree but will concede that the top 2 or 3 would certainly compete to be in the top 5 of Wessex One and battle for promotion. The quote that you could 'throw a blanket' over all sides below the top 6 of the Wessex Prem is lacking in accuracy.
Yes many of the DPL sides could compete with Wessex Prem sides in one-off games but over the course of the season they would struggle to keep a pace in the top-half.
However it is true to say that from about 15th in Wessex Prem down to 10th in Wessex One there is little to seperate sides. Indeed this is the case in almost every league in the country and as it should be, surely? It means that sides that have a good season, get promoted and a competitive season has been had by all.
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Post by RUBBISH on Feb 4, 2010 15:10:50 GMT
disagree, i have played in the dpl and wessex prem and obviously apart from the top 4 or 5 in wessx prem, the likes of ham rec, chickerell, portland and even swange would comfortably hold there own in that division. the wessex one is not as good a standard as it should be because a lot of good players are not willing to travel thats why they settle for the dpl. maybe 10 years ago it would be different because the wessex then was a lot stronger in my opinion. i mean what would you rather do get paid £10 or £20 a game to play for a top dpl side and not a lot of travelling or play for a mid table side in the wessex and not get a penny and travel all over the south west???
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Post by HOW on Feb 4, 2010 16:11:45 GMT
SO CAN YOU APPLY TO JOIN WESSEX 1 EVEN IF YOU FINISH MID-TABLE IN DPL? ASSUMING YOU HAVE CORRECT FACILITIES, FLOODLIGHTS, SEATING.
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Post by Wessex on Feb 4, 2010 18:31:41 GMT
It is my understanding that you can apply no matter where you finish as the applications are done at this time of the season. However I am unsure as to how the league would decide on who is successful should it not be the top 2 or 3 teams.
Relegation and promotion to the Wessex league has always been a contentious issue.
We'll have to agree to disagree 'Rubbish'. As I said, on an individual game basis I have no doubt that the top 5 or 6 of DPL would compete but over a course of a season I don't beleive they would. many of the DPL sides (and I agree they play good football) do not have the infrastructure to support a 44-50 game season and for that reason they would not compete.
Portland is a prime example. Between 2003 and 2005 they didn't finish higher than 15th I think. Indeed way back in 2001/2 (the year they were first promoted) they got off to a flying start and beat some great sides with Jamie Reeves proving a first class goal scorer. However this couldn't be sustained.
As I said before there is little to seperate sides between 15th in Wessex Prem and 10th in Wessex One and indeed the top 5 or 6 from DPL would be in this group somewhere. A good season would see them promoted a bad season would see them in the middle of Wessex One.
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Post by dog on Feb 4, 2010 19:18:25 GMT
I am involved with a Wessex One club currently. The thing that has impressed me the most has been that each team has 2 decent centre forwards and quick wide players. The defenders and centre midfielders seem average, but the quality up top protects them. Travel is a major issue with most players preferring to play in the Reserves and play in local leagues than travel to the Isle of Wight, Aldermaston & Horndean. Especially if you get a midweeker! I'm sure some of the teams mentioned from the DPL would do well in our league and i for one would love to see them in it, but surely they would still act as feeder clubs for Wimborne, Poole, Poppies, Christchurch etc.
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Post by Ex Port Player on Feb 5, 2010 23:44:53 GMT
Portland only started going downhill as a result of most of the team hanging their boots up!!!!!!
Unfortunately the next cycle of players wasnt good enough or dedicated to play that level unlike the team that played the first 2 seasons.
Portlands team last year would hold there own in wessex prem and would def finish in top 8 as i personally feel the standard has dropped over last 5 years.
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Post by Wessex on Feb 6, 2010 8:54:09 GMT
But that's my point. Portland had one very good season 2002-03 when they finished 8th. Their other finishes were 14th, 16th and 20th. DPL sides can do well in on-off games and, rarely, as Portland I will concede proved, over the course of one season. But to survive in the Wessex Prem requires an infrastructure that DPL clubs do not have - partly because money gets paid to players rather than being used to improve the clubs facilities etc.
Whether the league has deteriorated or not is a moot point, although looking at the league then, yes there were the likes of Andover, Thatcham etc but also down the bottom you had the likes of Swanage with a final goal difference of -174 and Whitchurch with with -134.
You may not have the very top but similarly now you do not have those very bottom sides. The league is much more competitive and there are no push overs.
It is a bit insulting to say that a DPL side would finish in the top 8 of a league two higher than what they currently play. The only way you can make that claim is to prove it. Lots of DPL sides come on here regularly and claim they would finish in 'x' position in the Wessex Prem but none have the ambition to prove it. It's too easy to blame the reasons of travel. The best players want to play in the best leagues with the best facilities, three officials, quality playing surfaces 9bar one or two I'll except), a decent number of games and a league which doesn't allow teams to 'call games off' when they feel like it.
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Post by portland on Feb 6, 2010 20:34:20 GMT
wessex man has some valuable and true points but also thinks that the wessex is better than it is. the dpl league is obviously not as good due to the position it is rather to the wessex. but i would say that the wessex it built around money throwing and obviously the teams with loads at the top an visa versa. the dpl is different and there is very decent teams who would give most wessex teams a good go as did portland 2 seasons ago knocking out poole town in senior cup. and these teams are not built around money otherwise any1 can have a massive squad and keep them happy by paying them rather than benchwarming for nothing!!!!! portland have got the ambition but not the money to back it so that is where the problem lies. only my opinion would appreciate replys.
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Post by Wessex on Feb 7, 2010 15:00:42 GMT
Apologies to Bill for mis-reading the post. Indeed you did say top 6 or 7, however accusations of twisting your comments are unfounded - I don't need to.
Sorry for using facts to support my argument, but unfortunately stats are the only way that any comparison between teams in the leagues can be made objectively without players coming on saying 'I played in both and x is better than y.'
Hamworthy would seem to be a good club to use to make comparisons. Their first team is a mid-table Wessex Prem side. Their reserves are a DPL side. DPL sides wouldn't finish above midtable in the Prem.
As for the last DPL game I watched - Parley v Westlands last week and before that Blandford v Holt. I am involved with a Wessex league side and we have our eye on players at both clubs so I was asked to go and have a look.
To Porltand, I'm sorry but I just can't agree. Money being thrown around in the Wessex but not DPL? Agreed there is money at Poppies, Poole etc. But lower down I can assure you that New Milton and Lymington have stopped paying this season and as far as I'm aware neither Verwood or Ringwood have ever paid.
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Post by Wondering on Feb 7, 2010 19:12:41 GMT
Who Were You Watching for Blandford V Holt Game?
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Post by Wessex on Feb 8, 2010 20:42:57 GMT
I'm sorry if I have given the impression that i am high and mighty - I can assure you I am far from it! Similarly I hold no great position within my club, I have been here for over a decade, make the teas, mark the pitch out and generally help around the place. I also enjoy non-league football immensly and watch games on Saturdays and Sundays. I am not a 'scout' (I don't think I ever suggested I was), I was asked to go and take a look at a couple of players by the manager who is a friend. I've played and maybe he valued my opinion. I don't place my name as I would not want my club to be victimised if someone took any offence (not that I'm trying to cause any) at my comments. I have seen enough DPL clubs savaged on this forum (Poole B, Ham Utd etc) without the need for it to happen to my club just because someone disagreed with me. I'm not sure this makes my thoughts any less valid? Maybe it does? I just merely answered a thread as I am aware of the complexities surrounding promotion from Step 7 and Step 6 to Step 5. One thing is for sure though, Bill, your comments that have, all of a sudden, become personal are the sort that do bring this forum a bad name. A shame as I thought this was a reasonable and sensible thread.
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Post by bill on Feb 8, 2010 21:40:00 GMT
mr wessex,or should i call you bond !if a manager asks you to have a look at a couple of players because he values your footbaling opinion , are you not effectively scouting on his behalf! you know with the greatest respect to you , you do prattle a lot . its not just me on this forum that has questioned your comments or train of thought ! if you came on this forum to state your "facts and figures" about the next level of promotion , you made that point right from the outset ! then you decided that mr wessex was a level "ABOVE" and decided to milk it" then you have the audacity to belittle a dpl follower week in week out just on the back of yor egotisticall "rushes of blood" YOU HAD A CHANCE TO OUT YOURSELF , AND YOU BOTTLED IT . Do not disrespect me , as i have only, and always will gave my opinion, if you have had your "fill" on this subject , i suggest you leave it here! it is my opinion you should offer your advice to wessex league forums in future, As a dpl follower, you have over stepped your boundries! this was only a sensible thread as long as you had the "REIGNS"
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