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Post by Townie on Jan 23, 2006 18:52:37 GMT
It was not you I was thanking, it was whoever used the name actually. But thank you as well for the debate this is what this Forum should be about and not the junk that quite often appears on here
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Post by hmmm on Jan 23, 2006 20:15:27 GMT
Appologies and thanks too.
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Post by actually on Jan 24, 2006 9:14:51 GMT
Point, I am correcting you as you are wrong.
With the reserve league, the strongest teams will have players pushing to get in their respective first teams. If they manage that, it will weaken the reserve team in question. If they don't, they will quite possibly look to move to another team as they will feel they are unlikely to get a look in at their current club. There will of course still be regular player moves for all sorts of other reasons. Teams will fluctuate in their quality as they do at present, there will be no more likelihood of any one team dominating than at present.
In the short term of course it will weaken the DSL as it removes half the teams from it. But in the long term it will be stronger as success will be rewarded - there won't be any of the "they can't get promoted as their firsts are in the DPL" rubbish we get at present.
hmmm put it very well in one of his earlier posts.
Townie - you're welcome!
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Post by Point on Jan 24, 2006 9:22:29 GMT
Dont you think though that it could get totally demoralising for the lower quality reserve teams? There are some high quality reserve teams out there and the weaker ones have got every chance of having 10 put past them every saturday. Wheres the fun in that? I always thought football was a game on enjoyment?
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Post by Pointing on Jan 24, 2006 10:00:59 GMT
Teams getting beaten by 10 goals happens every week in the Dorset lge's, it will not be a naything new or perculiar to a reserve lge.
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Post by bbb on Jan 24, 2006 11:43:35 GMT
I think in theory it is definately a good idea but it might not bear fruit until maybe the second or third season.. Do we know if with this restructuring the league will be looking to re-organise the lower leagues. I think its a joke that with all the teams in the county you have some teams whoses league season is over by February.. I think it would be so much better to have fewer leagues and more teams than the way it is now..Its also a joke that the DPL has been running with 17 teams since Weymouth Sports dropped out.
But going back to the reserve league I think that it will also in the long term improve the standard because all the players for example that play for Hamworthy and Dorchester in the DPL knowing there not evern going to make the break through to the first team will soon start to look for other clubs who actually play in the DPL. Dorset must be the only county where a Reserve team can win the Premier league..
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Post by actually on Jan 24, 2006 12:03:44 GMT
Yes, the two main issues they want to address are the high number of reserve teams in the DSL (which obviously is alleviated by the reserve league) and the small size of some divisions.
The proposal (based on overall number of teams in the League this year) would have the following :
Reserve League : 14 teams Senior Division : 14 teams Div 1 : 14 teams Div 2 : 14 teams Div 3 : 12 teams Div 4 : 12 teams
(Divs 3 & 4 may be structured as Div 3 N&E and Div 3 S&W)
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Post by Absolutely on Jan 24, 2006 12:11:00 GMT
I believe the plan is to restructure the DCFA Sat lge from top to bottom. This will ensure lges of an equal size and ensure none of the lge have as few as 8 teams and finished in Feb. Good idea as long as the res lge has a ground grading criteria of DSL as a minimum requirement.
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Post by Good idea on Jan 24, 2006 12:41:37 GMT
I personally believe it is a very good idea, and a lot of you have all put very valid points. I think it does need restructuring, but im not sure whether it will have a positive effect for a couple of years. And a couple of the weaker teams may get drummed but it is only a reserve league so the players should be looking to make the first team in the long run. I also believe it may be worth either having 2 small reserve leagues rather than one big one or take all the reserve teams out from all the 6 divisions and make a reserve league then that would be much more competative. Overall though i believe it is a good idea and should have an effect from the start of next season. Just a thought
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Post by Wessex watcher on Jan 24, 2006 13:42:01 GMT
According to Actually Hamworthy United, Bridport and Dorchester Reserves will remain in the Dorset Premier League as their fist teams are in the Wessex and Western Leagues. Is that correct?
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2006 14:14:51 GMT
This thread has been a good one with many "fors and against" backed up by sound oberservations and opinions, but I have it on good authority that this proposal was raised by a club (Poole Borough) and at a meeting with DCFA it appeared most clubs (in attendance) were in favour, so the DCFA have been asked to act on it and come up with a managable solution that will take into account all these comments made in this thread, to be fair DCFA would be foolish to ignore the views of the clubs, as long as it is a benifit to ALL clubs not just the minority, I am not convinced following the replys to this thread, all are actually in favour, or may not have been represented at the meeting with the DCFA. but either way I feel it will happen in time for next season.
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Post by actually on Jan 24, 2006 16:48:25 GMT
Wessex Watcher - Ham Utd, Bridport and Dorchester Town reserves will continue in the DPL as at present as the restructure is nothing to do with the DPL.
It is possible that at some future time the DPL may change their rules to disallow reserve teams but there is certainly nothing of that nature happening at present. They are however likely to restrict the number of reserve teams to 3 as at present.
Jim - I agree that the DCFA should do what they can to benefit as many clubs as possible but it will not be possible to benefit ALL clubs - but if a majority benefit and are in favour then the proposals should go ahead.
All clubs in the Dorset Saturday League were invited to the meeting (indeed any that didn't attend would have been fined) and there were no apologies at the meeting therefore any club that weren't represented have only themselves to blame.
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Post by kj poole town on Jan 26, 2006 10:23:01 GMT
I am concerned about senior teams playing with junior teams in the same reserve league.
We at Poole as many people know play young 15 to 18 year old youngsters in our reserve team we need to play teams like Allendale, Sturminster, Weymouth Sports, Barwick & Stoford and many more first teams last year we finished in the top six. This year we are in the bottom three.
At the meeting it was suggested that the reserve team's hold up other teams from gaining promotion to the DPL. I don't mean to be rude to the clubs in senior league but facilities have played a big part in preventing teams who win DSL in being promoted, not as suggested the reserve teams.
I believe most teams at the meeting were more concerned about the reconstruction of the lower part of the league, this needs attention.
My opion is
(a) Senior league and the Div 1 should remain as is. (b) Restructure from Div 2 down wards increase the numbers in the league's as they are the future of the DFA
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Post by actually on Jan 26, 2006 12:40:39 GMT
kj it is a fair point that lack of facilities have prevented some teams winning promotion, however that is something that the club themselves can address, whereas being held up by reserve teams (which is an equally legitimate reason for teams not being promoted) cannot be addressed by the clubs and therefore is something that the Dorset League need to look at.
I'm not sure why you feel your reserves need to play teams like Allendale, Sturminster, Weymouth Sports etc rather than the reserve teams from clubs like Wimborne Town, Gillingham, Shaftesbury etc - could you elaborate on that?
My impression at the meeting was that there were three distinct camps :
i) Teams whose highest or only team was in Divisions 3 or 4, whose main concern was as you say the restructure of the lower leagues, and to whom any restructure at the top end is at least at present, fairly irrelevant.
ii) Teams whose highest or only team is in the Senior, 1st or 2nd Divisions, who for the most part seemed to be in favour of the proposal for the reserve league.
iii) Teams whose highest team play in the DPL or higher but whose reserve team play in the Dorset Saturday League, who were not overly keen on the reserve league (although certainly a fair proportion of these were also in favour.)
The question as I see it is whether to favour the reserve teams of the "big" clubs or the first teams of the smaller clubs. For me the encouragement of grass roots football dictates that this has to go in favour of the smaller clubs first teams.
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Post by Kevin on May 16, 2006 13:38:07 GMT
So what is the latest with the dorset league restructuring....
Apparently they have interviewed all the new teams that are meant to be joing the wessex league and above have decided they're constitution so whats the wait with dorset
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Post by Hey on May 16, 2006 14:32:52 GMT
DCFA always like to take a slow considered approach to constituting there league structure. They should have decided by early December. Bit like the DPL really hey thrive on not informing anyone exactly whats happening.
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Post by ringo on May 17, 2006 21:13:18 GMT
Once the entries for the forthcoming season are finalised then the Dorsert County FA can work out the leagues.
I'm sure their may be some inital confusion - but it makes sense to group the leagues up..
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Post by numbersix on Jun 8, 2006 19:24:05 GMT
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