Blandford HMR Forest Link Hamworthy Lions King's Bar Poole Wanderers Purbeck AFC Purbeck Panthers Railway Tavern (Wareham) Rising Sun Sandford Wallisdown Sports Windgreen Corfe Mullen
Division 2 League Constitution 2006/07
AC Electrical AFC Marina Bere Regis Broadstone Conservative Bryanston Club Dorset Soldier Dumpton Academicals Hamworthy Labour Club Hamworthy United Horse and Groom Kingswood Morden Poole Labour Club
Division 3 League Constitution 2006/07
AFC Whitecliffe Broadmayne Sunday Damory Oak Hamworthy Labour Club Reserves Hamworthy Liberal Kings' Arms (Stoborough) Stickland United Tesco Fleetsbridge Three Cross Upton Sports Weld Arms Windgreen Corfe Mullen Reserves
Ha ha. Pis5-up and brewery springs to mind. I know the question was aimed at HMR, but heres my 2 cents.
There are some TERRIBLE refs. The one that isn't fit enough to leave the center circle is my personal favourite. I know of loads of players who have been wrongly booked or sent off, some playing FOR us, some AGAINST. I don't know anyone who has succesfully had the decision reversed at a hearing. DCFA take everything these incompetent refs say as gospel.
We regularly had games against us cancelled, and cancelled some ourselves. This goes un-punished so if you don't fancy playing one of the stronger teams with what you've got available this week, ring up, cancel, and play when you've got a better side. All well and good except we ended up playing midweek games which kicked off when half our players were still at work. This isn't great organisation.
The league cup used to be played near the end of the season. Players were required to have played 4 games to be eligable to play. Fair enough. Next season, DCFA decide to have the cup a little earlier in the season (forgetting the 4 game rule it would seem) we had played 5 games due to cancellations (not by us), and had about eight players eligable, 6 of which were fit. Not to worry thought, DCFA had a solution....Don't let us play in the cup, after all we already has a backlog of games, this would of only made the situation worse.
The whole setup is just a farce. I know it's easy to say, but anyone with basic organisational skills could run it better than it's being run now. If it were a business (technically it probably is but you know what I mean) it would be a spectacular failure. They lose loads of teams to their only competitor (bournemouth FA) and take virtually none from them. Everyone is getting p*ssed off with it. All of the better teams are leaving so the standard is getting worse and worse every year. I know Lions have looked at leaving, if they do, with Spurty gone will Sandford stay?
i think that the old ridge player has covered most of it!
clubs like us dont have the resources of chelsea, so the amount it costs to join the league is a lot to us. and when they fine you stupid amounts on top of that for next to nothing, it really stretches your wallet. we were fined £40 for postponing one game four days in advance, when we had 15 players ill or injured or on holiday. we expected a bit of common sense but they don't give an inch.
they will always back up referees as they don't have enough as it is. i understand this idea but the refs are not always right. we had a couple of problems over the years and complained but nothing was ever done. poor refs should be at least sent on a re-training course, its not as though they do the job for free is it.
we were quite often sent refs from weymouth and portland, costing us £25+, when there are several refs in the blandford area. again, another added expense we could do without.
i have told jon fancy why we are resigning in the hope that they will take steps to keep clubs happier in the future. when i first started in the dorset league, there was 6 divisions, now only 3 and who knows soon, maybe 2?
the standard doesnt really bother me, the blackmore vale league isn't as strong but we just want to get back to enjoying our football again, play a few new teams and if its not as good, who knows, we may even win something!!
i think joining the BVL will save us nearly £100 every season in joining fees, for nearly as many games. the clubs run the league, they vote on the set-up every season, they just have a couple of people administering things on the clubs behalf. there is fixtures on the website for september already. our longest trip is 30 miles away, the solution? make it an 11am kick off to give us more time to get there!
that is the way sundays leagues should be run, down to earth, approachable, friendly. i dont think the dorset fa is like that any longer.
we will miss playing a few of the teams but overall, we have a new sponsor, a new name and a new league, so its exciting times for us!
Things don't look too good for DCFA now do they? Who'd have thought that if they p*ssed their customers off for years they would get upset and take their money elsewhere? (sarcastic grin).
I know teams in the lower leagues that are not happy either, but are reluctant to join the Bournemouth league in Div 10. A lot of people read this site, and HMR has made these people aware of another local league that seems better organsied than the Dorset League. Will this mean more teams lost?
DCFA. I would say get it sorted, but I think it's too late for you now. The whole setup stinks of incompetence. Also, please sort out your web site. It's extremely non-intuative to navigate, and you've still got links to sign up for the Bere Regis tournament!
well, geographically, we have always been inbetween dorset league and blackmore vale league. there will be other teams in north dorset that are the same. we have a couple of games on the somerset borders next season, so its only local if you live here!
having said that, for us to travel to swanage or hurn is just as much a big trip and even going down to places like whitecliff means a 25/30 minute drive. so all in all, going to places like shaftesbury, stur newton etc are just as easy.
i do think that the dorset fa has failed to really listen to what the clubs have tried telling them for a while now. we've been to meetings and clubs are telling them things and asking questions, only to be told "well, we cant answer that at the minute, we'll have to take it back to head office" and we'd never hear about it again. the same questions seemed to come up at every meeting too. it was like the rules are in the rule book and they can't even think of bending them in any small way ever!
if they want to continue to survive, they need to really listen to what is being said or else more and more clubs will leave.
HMR. GOOD LUCK NEXT SEASON . HOPEFULLY IF D.C.F.A TAKE NOTICE AND ENCOURAGE MORE TEAMS AND RUN IT MORE EFFICENTLY THEN YOU MAY RETURN TO DORSET FOOTBALL AGAIN. ALL THE BEST ON YOUR NEW VENTURE. BIG.H. DCFA TAKE NOTE AS ALL MANAGERS AND TEAMS FEEL THE SAME. SO IF YOU DO READ THIS DONT FINE ME . I ALL READY PAY FOR THE REFEREES END OF SEASON KNEES UP AND YOUR NEW EXSTENTION . OR HAVE DONE. ;D
[glow=red,2,300][/glow]If Managers and players make an effort to encourage and play better 90 minute football with discipline, and treat appointed officialls with respect during 2006/7 then perhaps more teams may return. Don't blame DCFA for everything,you have to go deeper to find the cause of why there is such a huge gulf between Dorset and Hampshire and a 7 division inbalance! Go much higher up the FA ladder and ask the Question of why park grassroots Football is poorly maintained and why waste 25million pounds trying to rediscover Englands only success in World Football some 40 years ago! Try to stick together in Dorset this Season,look after what remains of Sunday Football and campaign for a better Future. Playing surfaces need to be available and properly maintained by those who know what they are doing. Positive postings and sensible debate on this site could make a difference to the future of the grassroots game that may one day support and push through quality players into the League Pyramid. Football starts here, lets stick together and campaign for survival.
1. Are players and managers in the Dorset League notably less respectful to officials than in the Bournemouth League. I've played in both, and what I've found is that managers and players are usually disrespectful to officials that are notably bad. There just seem to be more bad officials in Dorset. An important point to remember is that these officials do actually get paid, and we do pay to play.
2. Players play the best football they can. Better players play better football, but you can't just 'play better' if you aint that good.
3. The same playing surfaces are available to teams playing in the Dorset and Bournemouth leagues.
4. DCFA are the business offering the service that we pay for. It's up to THEM to make the improvements. They have competition from BFA who are offering a better service. Why would teams leave a perfectly fine professionally run league, to return to Dorset and try to 'campaign for a better future', when there is already a decent local league in the area?
5. I don't know why there is a 7 league imbalance, but that's not the point I was making. The point was the RATE at which the number of teams and leagues was decreasing. It wasn't always this way, DCFA had something, ran it poorly, now they're losing it. That's competitive business for ya!
6. Read BIG H's comments. He manages one of the few decent teams left in the Dorset league, and doesn't seem too happy. DCFA shyould take notice of him because if he pulls his team into Bournemouth that would be a huge loss. There would be no point in Sandford staying would there?
If you think about it, DCFA should technically be in a STRONGER position than BFA. Their Saturday section is a higher standard, and the ground specification is quite high in their top league compared to BFA. Why not offer incentives for their Saturday sides to start supporting Sunday football in the Dorset leagues by starting Sunday sides. I believe Ham Utd are doing so (I also believe SONGDorset Voice is involved from his similar posting style to HUFC Volunteer but I may be wrong!). They don't have to be the same players.
I'm sure there are many things they could try which might improve things, but they either can't be bothered, or more likely, just don't have the skills required to improve the running of the league, and market it. If it is the latter, they should consider employing someone who does have these skills. He/she probably wouldn't even need to be permanent. Go in, sort the mess give them some ideas on how to attract new business, then leave them to it.
H: thanks for those kind words, whether we ever come back to the DFA is debatable though. as it stands, everything seems to be good about the BVL, ok, maybe not as strong on paper but only time will tell on that!
the chappy that we've been dealing with is very down to earth, no green jacket for him! there are fines and rules but they try not to fine clubs, which is the opposite to the DFA. i once wanted to write a cheque to the DFA, payable to the DFA Holiday Fund.
i agree, the DFA charge quite a high figure to join, don't know how it compares to the BFA but its quite a lot more than the BVL. if they charge a high fee, they need to provide a high class service. and they need to listen to the clubs; the BVL clubs run the league, they vote the rules in every season and they just have a couple of people to administor them. as i said before, the DFA hold meetings but rarely are able to give answers to the trickier questions. and there is no feedback, they never take the questions to a meeting and then send clubs a letter to tell us the answers.
the DFA is shrinking every season i think, the BFA and BVL are growing. there are reasons for this and the DFA don't seem to be able to suss out why!
[glow=red,2,300][/glow][glow=red,2,300][/glow]Old Ridge Player/BTFC - Having read and digested your very valid remarks it would seem that you care enough to debate the issues but wish to better your Club standing at the same time.The Clubs that are left, do pay for their Football, and as customers have a right of reply if they feel that things could be improved or expanded. Rules of engagement can be suggested and Representation put forward as a First step in consolidating a downward spiral of Clubs leaving this Area. I have not started this thread for fun but like you and many others am alarmed at the ratio of loss of, and care as to what sort of structure/divisions Dorset Sunday Football will look like for 2007/8? Contacting all Clubs that are engaged in the 2006/7 Season would seem a reasonable place to start. Grassroots Football has to survive and move forward in Dorset Marketing a 'New Bridge' is not a step to far in this garden - providing we all work together!! Support change - Support S.O.N.GDorset Voice and pitch your views in this Season's Campaign. Good Luck to all Clubs and Players for 2006/7. Thanks again 'Old Ridge Player' will hopefully meet at some later date!?
From reading posts here, it seems that there have already been discussions with the clubs. HMR suggestes that they are never listened to, so can we have any confidence that things would be different if tried again?
I guess DCFA are going to have to do something, so yes, contacting the clubs would seem a good place to start. I don't think there is a quick fix though. What they need to do is improve the running of the league, and the quality of the officials. This is something that needs to be sustained over a period of time, so as new teams don't have to consider the competence of the league management when deciding which league to join. They may even bring some sides back from BFA if they can do this.
I will certainly be down the county ground to see your new Sunday setup.
SONG: maybe the DFA could start by sending questionnaires out to all clubs, asking for suggestions about how to improve their service? if clubs didn't reply with serious answers, they couldn't moan then!
they should also hold meetings with top officials in attendance. no more of saying they will have to take questions back to other committees and then the clubs never hearing anything after that.
the same questions get asked every season and the answers never seem to be given. that frustrates a lot of clubs.
maybe its time the clubs voted the main rules in, like the BVL does. eg: how many divisions, how the cups are run, that kind of thing. give it back to the clubs so they can ask for the competitions they want to play in.
unless the BVL turns into a disaster, we wont be back. as it stands, it seems to be run like sunday football should be and will only grow in strength hopefully.
this topic has created probably the most sensible debate ever on the site.Dorset football is run appallingly compared to the bfa where john carter and his staff are. about as good as your gonna get at this level It has been stated hufc have entered the league but they had no choice. I its only a matter of time before H and bob take there teams into the bfa where they would do very well and have competitive games every week. Any thoughts chaps.
[glow=red,2,300][/glow]Links with The BFA are understandable given the comparison with Dorset Football.They and there Staff are all very hardworking and are always looking for input and ideas within individual Clubs.However the original debate thread was and is the Constitution as it stands this Season with Clubs competing in Sunday morning Football. The guest comment of,....'the most sensible debate ever on this site'...,is a clear indication that other Clubs may wish to participate in a structured approach to the survival and promotion of helping and encouraging NEW Clubs back to Dorset. Clearing away the debris of past ill feeling toward officialdum is not an easy task, but a New start,with New ideas coupled to respectful dialogue,could open up ways of supporting our governing body, and in turn, market Dorset Football as an important future link within the Pyramid.